The Environmental Protection Agency has concluded greenhouse gases are endangering people's health and must be regulated, signaling that the Obama administration is prepared to contain global warming without congressional action if necessary.
« Last Edit: Dec 7, 2009, 11:17am by irondiopriest »
Officials gather in Copenhagen this week for an international climate summit, but business leaders are focusing even more on Washington, where the Obama administration is expected as early as Monday to formally declare carbon dioxide a dangerous pollutant.
An "endangerment" finding by the Environmental Protection Agency could pave the way for the government to require businesses that emit carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases to make costly changes in machinery to reduce emissions -- even if Congress doesn't pass pending climate-change legislation. EPA action to regulate emissions could affect the U.S. economy more directly, and more quickly, than any global deal inked in the Danish capital, where no binding agreement is expected.
Many business groups are opposed to EPA efforts to curb a gas as ubiquitous as carbon dioxide.
An EPA endangerment finding "could result in a top-down command-and-control regime that will choke off growth by adding new mandates to virtually every major construction and renovation project," U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue said in a statement. "The devil will be in the details, and we look forward to working with the government to ensure we don't stifle our economic recovery," he said, noting that the group supports federal legislation.
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The issue of how curbing emissions would affect jobs in developed countries is likely to erupt in Copenhagen in the battle over how much rich countries should pony up for cleaner technologies in developing nations.
Estimates of the cost for reducing emissions in developing countries vary widely, but the European Commission said in September that the bill could reach $150 billion annually by 2020. Leaders of the EU's 27 nations have said only that the EU would pay its "fair share" of the total, without committing to an amount.
Yet EU industry lobbies are weighing in against that proposal. It is "not realistic," said Axel Eggert, spokesman for Eurofer, the trade group for European steelmakers. Steelmakers want to "make sure that the financing is not a subsidy for our competitors," he said.
Re: Urgent: EPA Is Ready to Make CO2 a Pollutant « Reply #11 on Dec 7, 2009, 12:21pm »
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U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue said in a statement. "The devil will be in the details, and we look forward to working with the government to ensure we don't stifle our economic recovery," he said, noting that the group supports federal legislation.
NO! NO, NO, NO!
YOU FIGHT THEM!!
Damn these panty-waist, no back-bone, ball-less cowards!
You know what? Nevermind. We're just going to have to do away with them all.
It is their plan B for Hope N Beggin being an epic fail.
It could be worse than cap and tax.
Ed Morrissey makes exactly that point over at Hotair.com
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The EPA and the Obama administration threatened to do this when their cap-and-trade bill first began to stall on Capitol Hill. The determination of CO2 as a pollutant — which is patently ridiculous on its face — allows the White House to bypass Congress and begin dictating to producers on carbon-emission reductions.
Don’t kid yourself into thinking the EPA doesn’t understand the scope of its power. By classifying CO2 and methane (among other so-called greenhouse gases, it can inject itself into just about every industry in the US. Energy production will be its primary target, but the EPA has also gone after coal mining on the basis of the Clean Water Act; it will certainly not be shy about using this new authority to kill coal mining altogether. It will also impact agriculture, especially dairies and cattle ranching, as well as transportation. The entire manufacturing sector will have to answer for its output.
This really is the worst of all outcomes. The EPA process can be restrained by Congress, but it will take positive action for that to happen — and in most cases, would take the assent of Barack Obama. About the only way Congress could stop the EPA’s effort to seize control of production without Obama would be to defund the agency, or at least its regulatory efforts. That certainly won’t happen with the current Congress.
Re: Urgent: EPA Is Ready to Make CO2 a Pollutant « Reply #17 on Dec 7, 2009, 6:53pm »
The people of this country are going to have to come to a place where we look around ourselves and see that if we dare put it all on the line and refuse to be governed by tyrants, our fellow citizens will have our back - that they also will refuse, pitting the government against the citizenry in a showdown of will.
This push for totalitarian government is not going to stop. Even if we defeat the Socialists in 2010, we dare not take a breath.
Re: Urgent: EPA Is Ready to Make CO2 a Pollutant « Reply #20 on Dec 8, 2009, 5:45am »
It would appear that what congress can't force on us legislatively , the EPA can , using steam-roller tactics . The only option is to radically change congress in 2010 before they kill us .
This silly U.N. Copenhagen conference also has me steamed ( Is there CO2 in steam ? ) . I'm not as worried about that though since any "treaty" the U.S. signs on to at the conference must be approved by congress ( See previous paragraph ) .
That conglomeration of idiots in Dopenhagen either don't understand or refuse to admit that everything they see or touch is related to fossil fuel ( i.e. petroleum ) either in its manufacture or delivery . Essentially what they propose is the first step back into The Dark Ages .
Essentially what they propose is the first step back into The Dark Ages .
You exagerate! It's only 1875 that they wish to force us back to.
Literally, someone ran the numbers, assuming 80% cuts, and growth in population, Toonces is telling the world that he is going to march back society to an 1875 level of CO2 per person.
That would be all power plants, gone. All powered transportation, gone. All additions in farming, the past 135 years, gone.
Essentially what they propose is the first step back into The Dark Ages .
You exagerate! It's only 1875 that they wish to force us back to.
Literally, someone ran the numbers, assuming 80% cuts, and growth in population, Toonces is telling the world that he is going to march back society to an 1875 level of CO2 per person.
That would be all power plants, gone. All powered transportation, gone. All additions in farming, the past 135 years, gone.
That leaves us with one solution .... WHALE OIL ! Gee .... and it was right there all the time !
"As an American, I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name. America gave him the White House, based on the same credentials."
~Newt Gingrich~
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Re: Urgent: EPA Is Ready to Make CO2 a Pollutant « Reply #27 on Dec 8, 2009, 11:42am »
Re: Urgent: EPA Is Ready to Make CO2 a Pollutant « Reply #29 on Dec 8, 2009, 1:34pm »
Bob Owens, who writes for PJM, also posted the following comment on this issue at his blog:
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As Obama's blind faith in the anthropogenic climate change cult threatens to decimate what remains of our economy, expect his approval to dive even further beneath the waves. Resistance will deepen against his Administration's attempts at totalitarianism.
It's just starting to get ugly.
Not your Chicken Little-type and he calls 'em as he sees 'em.
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